Since you asked- or refuted -What, then, do you think he was referring to by his phrase "Today, and for the last 20 years or so, threats to academic freedom have tended to come from inside universities"? (Obviously, he wasn't wanting us to know -- this was, to him, like touching a dangerously hot object -- but he DID say it; and, if you have no credible understanding of that crucial phrase in his speech, then his entire speech, which was, after all, titled “The Threat to Freedom of Expression at American Universities” was just trash in your view. My interpretation was giving him the benefit of the doubt, was not, as you APPEAR to be, ASSUMING that his five-minute speech on that topic was merely "hot air.")
1. Obviously he wasn't wanting us to know- supposition? where is the fact underlying this opinion?
2. Yes he said it - If you have no credible understanding of that crucial phrase in his speech? opinion and supposition, and just a touch of arrogance -
3. Was just trash in your view? arrogance and support of prior supposition - defensive posturing.
4. Haber felt the coming from inside the Universities is known, has grown, and you ignored the effect of contemplating his audience.
5. My interpretation was giving him the benefit of the doubt? why? to implant the anti-bush screed? no appearance of this is in effect. A bit pompous, and incorrect anyway-
6. As you APPEAR to be? insulting in intellectual discussion of a simple speech.
7. ASSUMING that his five-minute speech on that topic was merely "hot air - assuming makes an ass out of you - hot air? not in evidence -
Two reasons Haber did not say any more based on his speech time and audience.
1. - 1892 - Departments in Univ. of Chicago, Columbia Univ., Univ. of Wisconsin with E.A. Ross
who has career full of Socio-communist relations. Ross’s book “Social Control” (1901) is the
textbook teaching how a few can gain control over Society. Albin W. Small, first Chair, taught
Sociology as History, Economics, and Political Science. This Department and Albin W. Small
were funded by Rockefeller Foundation.
2. - 1916 - Dewey & Education 1916 - Socialist Leader John Dewey’s Textbook still used today,
Dewey said dependency is a power, individuality an illness. There-upon the sane are insane,
the dependent is sane, as he needs the community. The collective is the norm. In 1934
( L.I.D. ) League for Industrial Democracy had student groups in 150 colleges.
3. - 1934 LID - League For Industrial Democracy: The I.S.S. was founded in 1905 by Upton
Sinclair, Walter Lippmann, Clarence Darrow, and Jack London. In the spring of 1921, the
ISS held a vote regarding the name and goals of their organization. Harry Laidler announced:
"the members of the Intercollegiate Socialist Society had declared themselves in favor of the
change in name and purpose." In November, the organization assumed its new name
and enlarged its scope to addressing society at large. They also presented their new guiding
principle: "Education for a New Social Order Based on Production for Public Use and Not for
Private Profit.
Pertaining to educational point # 2, if the University has the students they are being handled by a mentor.
In conclusion, another individual took the time to note what he viewed. Big type? ( insult ) making snide comments? petty at best.
Something for you to investigate- My statement - Majority of University graduates since 1946, has a varying percentage of Marx-ISM, Fabian Social-ISM, or Socio-commun-ISM, and still perceives themselves as normal- Marx is a theory, not a fact.
Be blessed, continue your work with the objective of your possible gaining, for you are never
sure whom you are conversing with. With no rancor, and something to ponder, as delusion is
a major agitprop especially in this digital atmosphere.
Mr. Zuesse - Thank you for the most cogent educational article. In reading the minor kerfuffle that occurred in the comments, as an 80 year old correlative analyst, both Federal & Civilian, continuing to this morning, while the 20 year discussion exists, it appears relative to Mr. Haber's gathering of material not particulars. 20 years or so, is the age of most students of the time he spoke. To illustrate in "Clift Note" style. Apologies for the length:
- 1892 - Departments in Univ. of Chicago, Columbia Univ., Univ. of Wisconsin with E.A. Ross
who has career full of Socio-communist relations. Ross’s book “Social Control” (1901) is the
textbook teaching how a few can gain control over Society. Albin W. Small, first Chair, taught
Sociology as History, Economics, and Political Science. This Department and Albin W. Small
were funded by Rockefeller Foundation.
- 1913 - Roscoe Pound, Saint-Simon. Socialized Law substitutes appointed
Administrators for judicial Law. This to adjust social interests over the individual rights.
Supreme Court Justice Frankfurter spoke about “ throughgoing overturning” of society. It must be done from the outside and translated by those in office.
- 1913 - Or, as the old Red dictum goes, "Communism must be built with non-
Communist hands." To engage the non-Communist dupes in these endeavors, though,
requires rhetorical camouflage and deception. A prime example of this rhetorical treachery can be found in the judicial revolution launched in 1913 with the Conference on Legal and Social Philosophy organized by Fabian Socialists Harold Laski, John Dewey, Morris Cohen, and Roscoe Pound. Cohen's son, Felix, later boasted that it is from this conference that "much of the social and philosophical consciousness of modern American jurisprudence derives." Felix Cohen openly proclaimed; It is impossible to attempt overthrow of Capitalism as an economic system without at the same time attacking the substance of capitalist law. As well, Federal Reserve pushed through Congress. Wilson hired, to effect this. Taft had to be defeated to elect this. Rockefeller & Morgan bought up 159 News Corporations, while J.P. Morgan financed the Roosevelt “Bull Moose” vote splitting campaign.
- 1916 - Dewey & Education 1916 - Socialist Leader John Dewey’s Textbook still used today,
Dewey said dependency is a power, individuality an illness. There-upon the sane are insane,
the dependent is sane, as he needs the community. The collective is the norm. In 1934
( L.I.D. ) League for Industrial Democracy had student groups in 150 colleges.
- 1926 - Communist Psychopolitics - The description of a course taught at the “Lenin
Institute” to Americans sent by John D. Rockefeller. Rockefeller was member of the CFR
- This course still exists. What is “Psychopolitics? The art & science of asserting and
maintaining dominion over the thoughts and loyalties of Individuals, Officers, bureaus, and
Masses and the effecting of the conquest of enemy Nations through “Mental Healing”.
Psychopolitics, is a less known oblique to Geo-politics, dealing with molding the highest
strata of the “Mental Healing” arena - through this effecting of the conquest of enemy
nations through “mental Healing”. Objective, conquest through social chaos. Beria,
Mass Murderer of entire villages in the Russian conquests, was the Professor of the 2 year
course.
- Authors note: Beria was the longest-surviving and the most influential of Stalin's secret
police chiefs of the People's Commissariat for Internal Affairs (NKVD). The responsibility of
the NKVD was to ensure the internal security of the Soviet Union and it systematically did so
through massive political repression, authorized murders of many hundreds of
thousands of politicians and citizens, kidnappings, assassinations, and mass
deportations.
So, yes the Marx-ISM, Fabian Social-ISM, and all the political -ISM's stirred until a smooth consistency appears initially about 1840-
Literally everyone under ( 80 ) has been inculcated with the theory of Social-ISM through various "Elite" mechanisms, under the guise of the good- which it is not.
Intelligence itself is relative - So, this last one belongs to the present - read carefully, as the exposure of the above comes clear, but ignored.
- 1945 - The United Nations Charter ( Not Treaty ) was signed. Here is one of the greatest
lies perpetrated on the Global Public. The structural White Papers of the United Nations
managed, and generated by 50 CFR members ( including the Rockefeller “Lenin Institute”
members ) previously inserted into the United States Government and Universities in many
administrative positions. This in concert with the RIIA of Great Britain. The Dumbarton Oaks,
story is only partly true. This action was handled by Alger Hiss of prior note, who was later
imprisoned as a Soviet spy and who had been Roosevelts right hand man. Alger Hiss, Soviet
spy, was known to Roosevelt who casually dismissed the notification. Hiss was at both Tehran
and Yalta. This begins the current living History, that gets us to today.
- 1946 - UNESCO Education is instituted. 1946 - 1948: 1948: UNESCO: Its Purpose and Its
Philosophy by Sir Julian Huxley (the first director-general of UNESCO, 1946-1948) is
published, in which Huxley declares: "The general philosophy of UNESCO should be a
scientific world humanism, global in extent and evolutionary in background... Political
unification in some sort of world government will be required...Tasks for the media division of
UNESCO (will be) to promote the growth of a common outlook shared by all nations and
cultures...to help the emergence of a single world culture... Even though it is quite true that any radical eugenic policy will be for many years politically and psychologically impossible, it will be important for UNESCO to see that the eugenic problem is examined with the greatest
care, and that the public mind is informed of the issues at stake so that much that now is
unthinkable may at least become thinkable." Excerpts from this volume were reproduced under the title, "A New World Vision" (The Humanist, March/April 1979), and the Fabian SocialistHuxley, who was named 1962 "Humanist of the Year," elsewhere said that humanism's "keynote, the central concept to which all its details are related, is evolution." Also, it was Sir Julian Huxley (brother of Brave New World author Aldous Huxley, and grandson of Thomas Huxley who was known as "Darwin's Bulldog" because of his defense of evolution).
To conclude, there are only three primacies in the UNESCO education still being fed to our young, and now one knows why the UN must be rejected: the UN has always been the Hub of the coming tyranny, as one cannot capture all the individuals without pure enslavement.
One might focus on the lack of coincidence in our current situation- Huxley, Norman Thomas, Baldwin, Hiss, White, Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter and especially Carnegie & Rockefeller.
My last is in a four way intersection, it is imperative one look "both ways" - discernment is then the key to accident.
To all, be blessed, have a comfortable and inclusive Christmas & New Year. Look upon the coming year as a time of historical importance - to the individual & the global community.
"When he said “Today, and for the last 20 years or so, threats to academic freedom have tended to come from inside universities,” he was implying that George W. Bush (and his lies about 9/11 and about ‘Saddam’s WMD’ — and the bipartisan congressional endorsement of those lies) caused this “Orwellian” America to start."
I did not see the implication at all.
Stephen Haber's speech was spot on. I see nothing to disagree with.
There are two types of speech: free and controlled.
I believe he picked a time frame that he felt was reasonable based on his experience. I see no reason to assume he was implicating George W. Bush or 9/11.
Re. your "I see no reason to assume he was implicating George W. Bush or 9/11," did you click onto my link at ‘Saddam’s WMD’? I think that that (Bush's lying America into invading Iraq) is what Haber was referring to with his "the last 20 years or so."
And nowadays the lies are about Syria, Libya, Iran, and denials that it's a genocide in Gaza. And of course about Ukraine, such as is laid out in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooa6rXKiu6Y
What, then, do you think he was referring to by his phrase "Today, and for the last 20 years or so, threats to academic freedom have tended to come from inside universities"? (Obviously, he wasn't wanting us to know -- this was, to him, like touching a dangerously hot object -- but he DID say it; and, if you have no credible understanding of that crucial phrase in his speech, then his entire speech, which was, after all, titled “The Threat to Freedom of Expression at American Universities” was just trash in your view. My interpretation was giving him the benefit of the doubt, was not, as you APPEAR to be, ASSUMING that his five-minute speech on that topic was merely "hot air.")
"What, then, do you think he was referring to by his phrase "Today, and for the last 20 years or so, threats to academic freedom have tended to come from inside universities"?"
Since you asked- or refuted -What, then, do you think he was referring to by his phrase "Today, and for the last 20 years or so, threats to academic freedom have tended to come from inside universities"? (Obviously, he wasn't wanting us to know -- this was, to him, like touching a dangerously hot object -- but he DID say it; and, if you have no credible understanding of that crucial phrase in his speech, then his entire speech, which was, after all, titled “The Threat to Freedom of Expression at American Universities” was just trash in your view. My interpretation was giving him the benefit of the doubt, was not, as you APPEAR to be, ASSUMING that his five-minute speech on that topic was merely "hot air.")
1. Obviously he wasn't wanting us to know- supposition? where is the fact underlying this opinion?
2. Yes he said it - If you have no credible understanding of that crucial phrase in his speech? opinion and supposition, and just a touch of arrogance -
3. Was just trash in your view? arrogance and support of prior supposition - defensive posturing.
4. Haber felt the coming from inside the Universities is known, has grown, and you ignored the effect of contemplating his audience.
5. My interpretation was giving him the benefit of the doubt? why? to implant the anti-bush screed? no appearance of this is in effect. A bit pompous, and incorrect anyway-
6. As you APPEAR to be? insulting in intellectual discussion of a simple speech.
7. ASSUMING that his five-minute speech on that topic was merely "hot air - assuming makes an ass out of you - hot air? not in evidence -
Two reasons Haber did not say any more based on his speech time and audience.
1. - 1892 - Departments in Univ. of Chicago, Columbia Univ., Univ. of Wisconsin with E.A. Ross
who has career full of Socio-communist relations. Ross’s book “Social Control” (1901) is the
textbook teaching how a few can gain control over Society. Albin W. Small, first Chair, taught
Sociology as History, Economics, and Political Science. This Department and Albin W. Small
were funded by Rockefeller Foundation.
2. - 1916 - Dewey & Education 1916 - Socialist Leader John Dewey’s Textbook still used today,
Dewey said dependency is a power, individuality an illness. There-upon the sane are insane,
the dependent is sane, as he needs the community. The collective is the norm. In 1934
( L.I.D. ) League for Industrial Democracy had student groups in 150 colleges.
3. - 1934 LID - League For Industrial Democracy: The I.S.S. was founded in 1905 by Upton
Sinclair, Walter Lippmann, Clarence Darrow, and Jack London. In the spring of 1921, the
ISS held a vote regarding the name and goals of their organization. Harry Laidler announced:
"the members of the Intercollegiate Socialist Society had declared themselves in favor of the
change in name and purpose." In November, the organization assumed its new name
and enlarged its scope to addressing society at large. They also presented their new guiding
principle: "Education for a New Social Order Based on Production for Public Use and Not for
Private Profit.
Pertaining to educational point # 2, if the University has the students they are being handled by a mentor.
In conclusion, another individual took the time to note what he viewed. Big type? ( insult ) making snide comments? petty at best.
Something for you to investigate- My statement - Majority of University graduates since 1946, has a varying percentage of Marx-ISM, Fabian Social-ISM, or Socio-commun-ISM, and still perceives themselves as normal- Marx is a theory, not a fact.
Be blessed, continue your work with the objective of your possible gaining, for you are never
sure whom you are conversing with. With no rancor, and something to ponder, as delusion is
a major agitprop especially in this digital atmosphere.
Mr. Zuesse - Thank you for the most cogent educational article. In reading the minor kerfuffle that occurred in the comments, as an 80 year old correlative analyst, both Federal & Civilian, continuing to this morning, while the 20 year discussion exists, it appears relative to Mr. Haber's gathering of material not particulars. 20 years or so, is the age of most students of the time he spoke. To illustrate in "Clift Note" style. Apologies for the length:
- 1892 - Departments in Univ. of Chicago, Columbia Univ., Univ. of Wisconsin with E.A. Ross
who has career full of Socio-communist relations. Ross’s book “Social Control” (1901) is the
textbook teaching how a few can gain control over Society. Albin W. Small, first Chair, taught
Sociology as History, Economics, and Political Science. This Department and Albin W. Small
were funded by Rockefeller Foundation.
- 1913 - Roscoe Pound, Saint-Simon. Socialized Law substitutes appointed
Administrators for judicial Law. This to adjust social interests over the individual rights.
Supreme Court Justice Frankfurter spoke about “ throughgoing overturning” of society. It must be done from the outside and translated by those in office.
- 1913 - Or, as the old Red dictum goes, "Communism must be built with non-
Communist hands." To engage the non-Communist dupes in these endeavors, though,
requires rhetorical camouflage and deception. A prime example of this rhetorical treachery can be found in the judicial revolution launched in 1913 with the Conference on Legal and Social Philosophy organized by Fabian Socialists Harold Laski, John Dewey, Morris Cohen, and Roscoe Pound. Cohen's son, Felix, later boasted that it is from this conference that "much of the social and philosophical consciousness of modern American jurisprudence derives." Felix Cohen openly proclaimed; It is impossible to attempt overthrow of Capitalism as an economic system without at the same time attacking the substance of capitalist law. As well, Federal Reserve pushed through Congress. Wilson hired, to effect this. Taft had to be defeated to elect this. Rockefeller & Morgan bought up 159 News Corporations, while J.P. Morgan financed the Roosevelt “Bull Moose” vote splitting campaign.
- 1916 - Dewey & Education 1916 - Socialist Leader John Dewey’s Textbook still used today,
Dewey said dependency is a power, individuality an illness. There-upon the sane are insane,
the dependent is sane, as he needs the community. The collective is the norm. In 1934
( L.I.D. ) League for Industrial Democracy had student groups in 150 colleges.
- 1926 - Communist Psychopolitics - The description of a course taught at the “Lenin
Institute” to Americans sent by John D. Rockefeller. Rockefeller was member of the CFR
- This course still exists. What is “Psychopolitics? The art & science of asserting and
maintaining dominion over the thoughts and loyalties of Individuals, Officers, bureaus, and
Masses and the effecting of the conquest of enemy Nations through “Mental Healing”.
Psychopolitics, is a less known oblique to Geo-politics, dealing with molding the highest
strata of the “Mental Healing” arena - through this effecting of the conquest of enemy
nations through “mental Healing”. Objective, conquest through social chaos. Beria,
Mass Murderer of entire villages in the Russian conquests, was the Professor of the 2 year
course.
- Authors note: Beria was the longest-surviving and the most influential of Stalin's secret
police chiefs of the People's Commissariat for Internal Affairs (NKVD). The responsibility of
the NKVD was to ensure the internal security of the Soviet Union and it systematically did so
through massive political repression, authorized murders of many hundreds of
thousands of politicians and citizens, kidnappings, assassinations, and mass
deportations.
So, yes the Marx-ISM, Fabian Social-ISM, and all the political -ISM's stirred until a smooth consistency appears initially about 1840-
Literally everyone under ( 80 ) has been inculcated with the theory of Social-ISM through various "Elite" mechanisms, under the guise of the good- which it is not.
Intelligence itself is relative - So, this last one belongs to the present - read carefully, as the exposure of the above comes clear, but ignored.
- 1945 - The United Nations Charter ( Not Treaty ) was signed. Here is one of the greatest
lies perpetrated on the Global Public. The structural White Papers of the United Nations
managed, and generated by 50 CFR members ( including the Rockefeller “Lenin Institute”
members ) previously inserted into the United States Government and Universities in many
administrative positions. This in concert with the RIIA of Great Britain. The Dumbarton Oaks,
story is only partly true. This action was handled by Alger Hiss of prior note, who was later
imprisoned as a Soviet spy and who had been Roosevelts right hand man. Alger Hiss, Soviet
spy, was known to Roosevelt who casually dismissed the notification. Hiss was at both Tehran
and Yalta. This begins the current living History, that gets us to today.
UN. Not Known: http://www.slideshare.net/slideshow/embed_code/38199716
- 1946 - UNESCO Education is instituted. 1946 - 1948: 1948: UNESCO: Its Purpose and Its
Philosophy by Sir Julian Huxley (the first director-general of UNESCO, 1946-1948) is
published, in which Huxley declares: "The general philosophy of UNESCO should be a
scientific world humanism, global in extent and evolutionary in background... Political
unification in some sort of world government will be required...Tasks for the media division of
UNESCO (will be) to promote the growth of a common outlook shared by all nations and
cultures...to help the emergence of a single world culture... Even though it is quite true that any radical eugenic policy will be for many years politically and psychologically impossible, it will be important for UNESCO to see that the eugenic problem is examined with the greatest
care, and that the public mind is informed of the issues at stake so that much that now is
unthinkable may at least become thinkable." Excerpts from this volume were reproduced under the title, "A New World Vision" (The Humanist, March/April 1979), and the Fabian SocialistHuxley, who was named 1962 "Humanist of the Year," elsewhere said that humanism's "keynote, the central concept to which all its details are related, is evolution." Also, it was Sir Julian Huxley (brother of Brave New World author Aldous Huxley, and grandson of Thomas Huxley who was known as "Darwin's Bulldog" because of his defense of evolution).
To conclude, there are only three primacies in the UNESCO education still being fed to our young, and now one knows why the UN must be rejected: the UN has always been the Hub of the coming tyranny, as one cannot capture all the individuals without pure enslavement.
One might focus on the lack of coincidence in our current situation- Huxley, Norman Thomas, Baldwin, Hiss, White, Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter and especially Carnegie & Rockefeller.
My last is in a four way intersection, it is imperative one look "both ways" - discernment is then the key to accident.
To all, be blessed, have a comfortable and inclusive Christmas & New Year. Look upon the coming year as a time of historical importance - to the individual & the global community.
Lt Powell from: Oregon Slavery Gazette
"When he said “Today, and for the last 20 years or so, threats to academic freedom have tended to come from inside universities,” he was implying that George W. Bush (and his lies about 9/11 and about ‘Saddam’s WMD’ — and the bipartisan congressional endorsement of those lies) caused this “Orwellian” America to start."
I did not see the implication at all.
Stephen Haber's speech was spot on. I see nothing to disagree with.
There are two types of speech: free and controlled.
What, then, was he referring to there?
"What, then, was he referring to there?"
I believe he picked a time frame that he felt was reasonable based on his experience. I see no reason to assume he was implicating George W. Bush or 9/11.
Orwellian” America started many decades ago.
Re. your "I see no reason to assume he was implicating George W. Bush or 9/11," did you click onto my link at ‘Saddam’s WMD’? I think that that (Bush's lying America into invading Iraq) is what Haber was referring to with his "the last 20 years or so."
And nowadays the lies are about Syria, Libya, Iran, and denials that it's a genocide in Gaza. And of course about Ukraine, such as is laid out in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooa6rXKiu6Y
I agree with you about our government lying, but as I said, I don't see the tie-in with Haber.
" did you click onto my link at ‘Saddam’s WMD’?"
I just did, but I don't see the tie-in with Haber.
What, then, do you think he was referring to by his phrase "Today, and for the last 20 years or so, threats to academic freedom have tended to come from inside universities"? (Obviously, he wasn't wanting us to know -- this was, to him, like touching a dangerously hot object -- but he DID say it; and, if you have no credible understanding of that crucial phrase in his speech, then his entire speech, which was, after all, titled “The Threat to Freedom of Expression at American Universities” was just trash in your view. My interpretation was giving him the benefit of the doubt, was not, as you APPEAR to be, ASSUMING that his five-minute speech on that topic was merely "hot air.")
"What, then, do you think he was referring to by his phrase "Today, and for the last 20 years or so, threats to academic freedom have tended to come from inside universities"?"
I have made my position clear.